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more on the godfather politics article that I commented on yesterday.  And then I really am going to call it a night.

kibitzer3 jon • a day ago

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Muslim potentates.

To whom he bowed for their services, in financing his rise to power.

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  msallyjones kibitzer3 • 12 hours ago
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• Oh so soon we forget Bush's hand holding and kissing of the Saud.
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  kibitzer3 msallyjones • a few seconds ago  [3:20am  Aug. 9]
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• I am not overlooking the machinations of the Bush/Cheney crowd, msallyjones, and THEIR threat to the Republic from the far Right. But what's your point? Obama is obviously a ringer, for nefarious purposes. And should be removed from the (extremely powerful) office that he is illegally occupying; before he does any more damage than he already has, to Constitutional law in the country. 
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  Him, and his cohorts in corruption. Particularly Holder; he who holds the key to the dastardly doings of the DOJ.
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  The whole lot of them need to be cleaned out, like the vermin they are. And the nation returned to its proper form, of a federal constitutional Republic, that secures individual rights, against the statist mentality of group rights. But not to go into all that here. Just sayin'.
  
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msallyjones • 12 hours ago

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For everyone's edification here is Article II Section I Paragraph 5 of the Constitution.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

You will note that it does not define natural born. It does not say that a person must have two US citizens as parents in order to run for President. It does not say anything about dual citizenship. It doesn't say anything about Kenya. It doesn't say anything about Indonesia or Occidental College or Orly Tainz or mental obsession.

It just says natural born citizen. Perhaps that means no C-sectioned babies can ever become president since a C-section isn't natural birth.

And the Supreme Court has never defined natural born as applied to the Constitution. There are no law books containing a Constitutional definition for natural born.

There is a definition for what Orly Tainz is doing. It's called obsessive-complulive disorder. The operative word being disorder. This newest accusation from Orly is nothing more than once again another hoked up bunch of hearsay, forged documents, speculations, fake photos etc in her obsessive efforts to defame, and smear a president she dislikes.

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  kibitzer3 msallyjones • a few seconds ago  [3:45am  Aug. 9]
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• You are being so sophistic here, msallyjones, that I need to call you on it. The point is to go back and discover what the Framers intended when they inserted that qualifying requirement in the Constitution for that office - and that federal office ONLY. (Of COURSE they didn't define the term in the Constitution. The Constitution is not a dictionary.) They were obviously going by American common law, based on de Vattel's 'The Law of Nations' (which it is known that they were familiar with). Their whole POINT was to make sure that any candidate for that office - who would then become as well the Commander in Chief of the nation's military forces - did not have DUAL LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCES. Like a DUAL CITIZEN would have. And thus the requirement of needing to be a 'natural born citizen', meaning a person born on the soil (or equivalent thereof) of TWO U.S. CITIZEN PARENTS (jus soli and jus sanguinis, in the legal jargon).
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  There IS a legitimate issue here. Suck it up.
  
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