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from humanevents.com: 'Why Is Israel Spying On Us?' - Guns & Patriots - Jamie Hope - May 8 - posted on May 13

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Greg Timoney PR_Ohio • 5 days ago ( = May 8)

“Despite some of your hokey 911 nutcase conspiracy theories about Israel being involved in 911, or deliberately attacking the USS Liberty, I have yet to hear any plausible explanation how either of these would be in Israel's best interests.”

A. The conclusion Israel knew about the 9/11 attack in detail, before the event, i.e.,. “how could they not have known” is not ‘my’ theory, it is a direct quote from the excellent Fox News report. Dig up all four parts and learn something instead of risking injury with knee jerk reactions. Here’s a start http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

B. The USS Liberty was deliberately attacked by Israel because it was collecting intelligence. I’ve spent a good part of a 20 year career flying around ships in a jet. There is no way the Israeli pilots could bomb it with napalm and not see the flag. NO WAY. http://www.gtr5.com/

If you can’t understand Israel’s motives in either of these I
simply can’t help you.

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  PR_Ohio Greg Timoney • 5 days ago 
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  "If you can’t understand Israel’s motives in either of these I simply can’t help you."
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  Of course you can't. Because there simply isn't a plausible motive for either. In combat situations there are friendly fire incidents, and inevitably there is always someone who will claim it was deliberate and malicious. The same claims are still being made about when the US shot down that Iranian passenger jet a few decades ago. It has propaganda value to those who are susceptible, but no bearing in reality.
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  It all comes down to motive and self interest. I can see the motive and self interest of Israel's and America's enemies fostering and spreading all these conspiracy theories, but not any interest or benefit to Israel to have committed such atrocities against the US. It just doesn't make sense.
  
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  III J PR_Ohio • 5 hours ago
  Well said. Bravo.
  
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  Well Done Greg Timoney • 3 hours ago
  Yes, yes, we know all about the left's incessant barking about the Liberty. Run along and play now, punk, the adults are discussing issues here. We don't need, help. You and probably your parents, do.
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  Greg Timoney Well Done • an hour ago
  Everyone behave now. Watch the 4 Fox new clips, here's the first,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... then attack Carl Cannon and Brit Hume for being all those amusing things I've been accused of for pointing out the truth. Perhaps the folks on the USS Liberty were all pansy leftists as well - but I doubt it http://www.veteranstoday.com/2….
  
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  kibitzer3 Greg Timoney • a minute ago (May 14)
  Thanks for sticking to your guns, as it were, through all this flak thrown at you, Greg. As they say: You can tell when you're over the target…
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  Until the Israeli state apologizes to the American people for the Lavon Affair; for the attack on and attempted sinking of the U.S.S. Liberty; for sins of at least omission in the suicide attack on the US Marine Barracks in Lebanon; for sins of both omission and commission in the 9/11 act of war on the U.S.; for Pollard; for the theft of trillions of dollars at the Pentagon on the watch of Dov Zakheim; for spying on America in our own country (I could go on), we should have nothing to say to or do for that state. Apologize. And then we talk about the future.

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As for Dov Zakheim; consider:

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"I believe this to be a very important article. As you may probably know, I've steadfastly maintained that Dov Zakheim, the former Comptroller of the Pentagon, is a key conspirator in the 9/11 fraud. The following article sheds more light on this powerful shadowy character; the missing $2.3 Trillion; his connection to the mysterious Boeing 767 tanker deal (I believe the aircraft that impacted the Twin Towers were KC-767s, the military tanker version of the Boeing 767); and his involvement in SPC, the company that manufactures remote control 'termination' systems for aircraft. Yes, things are beginning to snap into focus very quickly..." -- a physicist in the 911 Truth movement       Following Zakheim And The Pentagon Trillions To Israel And 911 By Jerry Mazza Online Journal Associate Editor 3-28-7   Think of this as part two of Recherche du trillions perdu, my Online Journal article on Dov Zakheim, former Bush appointee as Pentagon Comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004. At that time he was unable to explain the disappearance of $1 trillion dollars. Actually, nearly three years earlier, Donald Rumsfeld announced on September 10, 2001 that an audit discovered $2.3 trillion was also missing from the Pentagon books [1]. That story, as I mentioned, was buried under 9-11's rubble. The two sums disappeared on Zakheim's watch.   Yet on May 6, 2004, Zakheim took a lucrative position at Booz Allen Hamilton, one of the most prestigious strategy consulting firms in the world. One of its clients then was Blessed Relief, a charity said to be a front for Osama bin Laden. Booz, Allen & Hamilton then also worked closely with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which is the research arm of the Department of Defense. So the dark card was shifted to another part of the deck.   Judicial Inc's bio of Dov (linked below) tells us Zakheim was/is a dual Israeli/American citizen and an ordained rabbi and had been tracking the halls of US government for 25 years, casting defense policy and influence on Presidents Reagan, Clinton, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. He is, as I described him earlier, the bionic Zionist. In fact, Judicial Inc points out that most of Israel's armaments were gotten thanks to him. Squads of US F-16 and F-15 were classified military surplus and sold to Israel at a fraction of their value.   Judicial Inc also points out that Israel, a country of 4.8 million Russian and Polish Jewish émigrés, flies on one of the biggest Air Forces in the world, thanks to Mr. Zakheim. Conflict of interest here? Depends on what you're interested in. That is, in 2001 Zakheim was CEO of SPS International, part of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor majoring in electronic warfare technologies, including remote-controlled aircraft systems, and the notorious Flight Termination System (FTS) technology that could hijack even a hijacked plane and land or crash it wherever.   More from the resume: Wikipedia points out that Zakheim is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and in 2000 a co- author of the Project for the New American Century's position paper, Rebuilding America's Defenses, advocating the necessity for a Pearl-Harbor-like incident to mobilize the country into war with its enemies, mostly Middle Eastern Muslim nations.   As to Zakheim's hell-raiser lineage, Judicial Inc points out that Grandpa Zakheim was born in 1870, Julius Zakheim (Zhabinka), in the Ukraine, a Russian rabbi who married a relative of Karl Marx. He was a Menshevik/Bolshevik and played a leading role in the 1905 turmoil that paved the way for the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. The Bolshevik master plan called for the state of Israel, which was chosen for its proximity to the world's oil and an area of religious significance.   Dov's Father, Rabbi Jacob I. Zakheim was born in 1910 and reared in Poland's swarm of Zionist hard guys, read assassins and bombers. His Polish town, near Bilaystok, also brought us Yitzhak Shir, and family friends included Menachem Begin and Moshe Arens. Dov's father was an active member of Betar, formed in 1923 in Riga, Latvia. Its goal was to control the Middle East (and its oil). It was known that the Jewish people needed their own country and they chose Palestine and claimed it a Jewish state "on both sides of the Jordan."   Betar was in essence a terrorist organization formed because Zionists were sick of being chased from and arrested in country after country. They wanted both a place to escape and a base for their power. Betar joined forces with the Haganah, Irgun, and Stern gangs. With no prospect of a Jewish state in sight, they argued that armed struggle against the British was the only way. Since Britain occupied Palestine and was containing them they went on a blood feast of bombings that killed hundreds of British soldiers. The British pulled out, but the Zionists continue to maul the Arabs to this day.   For a concise history on the Formation of Israel in 1947, I suggest: http://www.theocracywatch.org/ christian_zionism_israel_forms.htm   Returning to Mr. Dov Zakheim: he was born in Brooklyn in 1943 and attended exclusive Jewish schools, spent summers in Israel Zionist camps, which trained the Zionists of the future. As to Dov's formal education, he graduated from Columbia University in 1970 and the University of Oxford in 1972. From 1973 to 75, he attended the London school of Jewish studies, described as a "Harry Potter" type cauldron; among the subjects Jewish supremacy, Advanced Bible, Talmud, Jewish Mysticism, Holocaust, Anglo-Judaica, and Zionism. After, he was ordained a Rabbi. From 1975 to 80, Zakheim was an adjunct professor at the National War College, Yeshiva University, Columbia University and Trinity College, Hartford, Connecticut.   As he stepped into the Reagan administration, he talked them into funding development of the Lavi Fighter at a cost of $3 billion. The Lavi was a total flop and Israel dropped it, though it owed $450 million in contract fees that were cancelled. Israel, according to Judicial Inc, also created a story that China was eager to buy the Lavi. Zakheim convinced Reagan that China had to be sandbagged. Reagan gave Israel $500 million for its lost contracts. Reagan then threw in a wing of F-16's as a bonus and sign of good will. Do we see a pattern here, personal, familial, career-wise, of over-the-top Israeli advocacy?   Again, during Zakheim's tenure as Pentagon controller from May 4, 2001, to March 10, 2004, over $3 trillion dollars were unaccounted for. Additionally, military Information was jeopardized and military contractors billed the US for Israeli items: $50 million dollar fighter jets were rated as surplus and the list rolls on. As the scandal of the missing trillion dollars surfaced and Zakheim resigned, Israel was handed the finest fighter jets in the US inventory while 15 percent of US jets were grounded for lack of parts. In whose best interest was this?   But Dov is not alone. He is one of an elite group of Jewish Americans/Israelis who inter-marry and enter government. They and their Christian counterparts are called neocons and their sole purpose is directing US policy. Most of them are dual citizens and few serve in the US military. Think of Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Perle, Ben Wattenberg, to mention a few. Whether their motivation is anger at the Muslim world, seen as a religious and territorial enemy, or a deep-rooted reaction to the Holocaust, the culmination of European anti-Semitism, their reactionary militarism becomes a world-threatening force unto itself. Hence our concern.   Dov and the World Trade Center   Perhaps not coincidentally in May 2001, when Dov served at the Pentagon, it was an SPS (his firm's) subsidiary, Tridata Corporation, that oversaw the investigation of the first "terrorist" attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. This would have given them intimate knowledge of the security systems and structural blueprints of the World Trade Center. From the '90s through 2001, WTC Security was handled by Securacom, a Kuwait-American firm, on whose board Marvin Bush, the president's brother, sat. After 9/11, Securacom was let go, changed its name to Stratosec, and was delisted from the Stock Exchange in 2002.   According to Conspiracy News.net writers Shadow and 'Pax' in Dov Zakheim and the 9/11 Conspiracy, "According to the SPC website, a recent customer at that time was Eglin AFB, located in Florida. Eglin is very near another Air Force base in Florida, MacDill AFB, where Dov Zakheim contracted to send at least 32 Boeing 767 aircraft, as part of the Boeing /Pentagon tanker lease agreement.   "As the events of September 11, 2001 occurred, little was mentioned about these strange connections, and the possible motives and proximity of Dov Zakheim and his group. Since there was little physical evidence remaining after the events, investigators were left only with photographic and anecdotal evidence.   "There is a photograph of the Flight Termination System module, from their site.(5). Note it has a cylindrical shape, and is consistent with the size and shape of the object observed under the fuselage of flight 175.   "The Boeing lease deal involved the replacement of the aging KC-135 tanker fleet with these smaller, more efficient Boeing 767s that were to be leased by Dov Zakheim's group. The planes were to be refitted with refueling equipment, including lines and nozzle assemblies."   (Remember both Flight 175, that hit the South Tower, and Flight 11, that hit the North Tower, were Boeing 767s. Flights 77 and 93 were 757s.)   "In the enlargement of flight 175's photo, we can clearly see a cylindrical object under the fuselage, and a structure that appears to be attached to the right underside of the rear fuselage section.   "When seen in comparison, it is obvious that the plane approaching the Trade Center has both of these structures-the FTS module and the midair refueling equipment, as configured on the modified Boeing 767 tankers. Of particular interest is the long tube-like anomalous structure under the rear fuselage area of flight 175-this structure runs along the right rear bottom of the plane, as it also does on the Boeing 767 refueling tanker pictured.   "After considering this information, I [the author/s] am convinced that flight 175, as pictured on the news media and official reports, was in fact a refitted Boeing 767 tanker, with a Flight Termination System attached. Use of this system would also explain the expert handling of aircraft observed in both New York and Washington investigations, which has been officially credited to inexperienced flight school students.   "Since the refitted 767s were able to carry both passengers and a fuel load, as shown in this photo, it is likely that the plane designated Flight 175 was in fact a refitted 767 tanker, disguised as a conventional commercial passenger plane.   "As shown in this photo of a 767 being serviced, the FTS unit, when in position, would be small and unobtrusive enough to be fairly innocuous (at least to casual observers, such as passengers). The smallest circle indicates the size and position of the anomaly depicted in the photos of Flight 175. The larger circle, which is the size of the engine housing, shows the size of the anomaly in relation to the engine. Note the size and position of the open hatches on the engine housing, which would tend to discredit the widely held theory that the anomaly is an open hatch or cargo door.   "As the . . . diagram shows, all flights involved in the events traveled very near many military installations, and appear to have traveled in a manner suggesting guidance and possible transfer of the control of the planes among the bases.   "Since the evidence from the World Trade Center site was quickly removed, there is little concrete evidence of the involvement of Dov Zakheim, who has since left his position at the Pentagon. However, the proximity of Eglin AFB to MacDill AFB in Florida and Dov Zakheim's work via SPC contracts and the Pentagon leasing agreement on both of these installations, combined with SPC's access to World Trade Center structural and security information from their Tridata investigation in 1993, is highly suspicious. Considering his access to Boeing 767 tankers, remote control flight systems, and his published views in the PNAC document, it seems very likely he is in fact a key figure in the alleged terrorist attacks in New York City on September 11, 2001."     [1] "I know Dr. Zakheim has been trying to hire CPAs because the financial systems of the department are so snarled up that we can't account for some $2.6 TRILLION in transactions that exist..." -Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, during testimony before the House Appropriations Committee: Fiscal Year 2002 Defense Budget Request, as given by Secy. Rumsfeld, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Hugh Shelton, and Comptroller Dov Zakheim; on Monday, July 16, 2001.   ___________________     DOV ZAKHEIM ­ A brief resume' Graduate of the prestigious London School of Economics (PhD), and the University of Oxford (National Science Foundation Graduate Fellow) Former CEO of Systems Planning Corporation, a highly specialized defense technology company that manufactures a one-of-a-kind remote-piloting system for aircraft, including commercial airliners Senior Fellow for Asian Studies of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Member of the Task Force on Defense Reform (appointed by Secretary of Defense Cohen) Senior Advisor at the Center for International and Strategic Studies Former Under Secretary of Defense (appointed by George W. Bush) Comptroller of the Pentagon Pioneer and prime architect of Project for the New American Century (PNAC), the neo-con cabal that authored Rearming America's Defenses (RAD), the bible for American global domination Author of "Flight Of The Lavi: Inside A US-Israeli Crisis" (Brassey's, 1996) Long-time Bush associate, having served as a policy advisor to the governor during the 2000 campaign Columnist for The Jerusalem Post Editorial Board member of Israel Affairs Ordained Rabbi Citizen of the State of Israel - How a citizen of Israel can serve as Comptroller of America's central defense establishment is a question I shall leave to others for comment. While they ponder this perturbing oddity, perhaps they could also shed light on why every one of the following kingpins of the Bush administration are also Israeli citizens: Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Michael Chertoff, Elliot Abrams, Donald Kagan, Richard Haas, Kenneth Adelman, Edward Luttwak, Robert Satloff, David Frum, David Wurmser, Steve Goldsmith, Phillip Zelikow, and Marc Grossman.   _________________     9/11 was an inside job. Our nation is in peril. The perpetrators are in positions of power. Demand a new investigation. Stand up. Be counted.   http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Temp/Temp- DovZakim&TheLostPentagonTrillions-Andy.htm

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