Our Long National Nightmare - Just Beginning

from wnd.com: ‘Our Long National Nightmare…Is Just Beginning’ - WND Poll - March 31

(A poll on how bad is the info coming out regarding major intel agency illegal surveillance on the Trump camp leading up to the election; a link from wnd.com: ‘Obama Spying Looks Even Worse Than Trump Claimed’ - Garth Kant - March 31)

Alon • 2 hours ago

His whole presidency is worse than any scandal in all of American history. He was, not only the worst president in all of American history, but also the most destructive; and has caused more harm to our Nation than any foreign power ever could.

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• John Alon • an hour ago 
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  Absolutely right Alon. The worst ever. He should be brought up on charges of treason and sentenced to prison. Should lose all of his government benefits, lose his attorney license and barred from any government job or position of judge.
  
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•          kibitzer3 John • a few seconds ago (March 31)
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  It could have been anticipated by an awake citizenry, now crying after spilt milk. The constitutional Framers anticipated this very sort of thing, when they made an eligibility requirement for the job that the person needed to be a 'natural born' citizen, rather than just a citizen, or even just a born citizen. What's the difference? All the difference in the world, in potential consequences - as we have just seen, for the past 8 years.
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  A 'natural born' citizen is a person "born in the country, of parents who are citizens". And thus having NO DUAL OR OTHERWISE CONFLICTING LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCES OR INFLUENCES. Having SOLE ALLEGIANCE to the U.S. This definition of the term, as understood by the Framers (for which there is considerable historical evidence), is from E. de Vattel's 'The Law of Nations,' Book One, Ch. XIX, Sect. 212. This is, and was, not rocket science. The American people were, simply, asleep at the switch, of their federal constitutional republic to a centralized oligarchy ruled by the Establishment behind both major political parties. We have, in short, been snookered.
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  There is still time to clean up this mess. But barely. And time's a'wasting.
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MNIce • an hour ago

Evelyn Farkas' comment on the necessity of protecting sources and methods from the incoming Trump administration implies that those sources and methods may still be in place. In other words, the Obama team, and possibly foreign agents that have infiltrated it, may still be spying on the Trump administration. It doesn't take much thought to realize this is potentially one of the most serious scandals ever in history of the United States.

Perhaps Ms. Farkas should be placed in protective custody.

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  Mountaingal MNIce • 10 minutes ago 
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  Only surpassed by having an illegitimate usurper occupy our White House for 8 years!
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•          kibitzer3 Mountaingal • a few seconds ago (March 31)
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  Indeed.
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  The definition of a 'natural born' citizen that there is considerable evidence the constitutional Framers were going by when they included that eligibility requirement in their contract for that particular federal office: A person "born in the country, of parents who are citizens'. It's from E. de Vattel's 'The Law of Nations," Book One, CH. XIX, Sect. 212. The whole POINT of the exercise being to make sure - at least as sure as they could, in their time; the rest would be up to succeeding generations - that the occupant of that particular office, who would as well then become the Commander in Chief of the nation's military forces, had NO DUAL OR OTHERWISE CONFLICTING LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCES OR INFLUENCES. Had SOLE ALLEGIANCE to the U.S.
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  Can I hear a big OOPS from the American people, in our generation???
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Mountaingal  kibitzer3 • 3 hours ago (April 1)

I think the MOST IMPORTANT parts of this particular section in Vattel's 'Law of Nations" book are
1) the reference to PARENTS (in plural, meaning BOTH parents need to be Citizens!)
and even MORE important
2) (quote) "...in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a FATHER WHO IS A CITIZEN; for, if he is born there of a FOREIGNER, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country." (end quote)

It has NEVER been denied that Obama Sr. was NOT (ever) an American Citizen, but a British Subject as Kenya was under British rule at that time. Therefore, "Little 0" could have been hatched on the White House lawn, and he still would NOT have been a "Natural Born Citizen"

 

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  kibitzer3  Mountaingal • a few seconds ago (April 1)

  Well noted and commented on, Mountaingal. And keep doing these kinds of postings. The more Commenters who see this sort of info, on various sites, the better.

  Education of The People is the key to a self-governing nation being able to keep itself going for any decent period of time. It comes with the territory.