Left Hook e-site - 'Column 12 - Hill 'n Holler Review' : 'Fascist Sellouts' - Dean Henderson - Feb. 14
Part 1:
kibitzer3 Says:
February 14, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Dean, you made some darn good points here. But as for
“Under FDR the super-rich paid income tax at a rate of 90%.”
a reminder that the economy never caught fire under FDR’s (and his whizz kids’) policies. That it took a war to do the job.
The answer is not to ‘soak the rich’. Nor to create a welfare state (for both the poor and the rich). The answer is to move out of the paradigm of ‘debt’ - of interest-bearing money – en toto. And move up a notch in consciousness. To live in a state of being where people share their goods and services with one another – and give of their best in the process – out of a higher motive than the age-old one of ‘profit’. Out of the highest motive that there could ever be: out of gratitude to their Creator for life with meaning. Out of, in a word: Love.
And THEN we will see an answer – THE answer – to our aches and ills of a society.
Of a world.
That is trying to live by half-truths.
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(this generated some comments:)
- Dean Henderson Says:
- February 14, 2013 at 6:32 pm
- FDR laid the foundation that later allowed the economy to take off – rural electricication, CCC, unions, Social Security. Not because he wanted to, but because he had to. Wobblies, Eugene Debs & others said so. Period. Quit defending the rich. It’s pathetic. The trillionaire trough-feeders should take your advice and start sharing the pie (love and all that), or it’s pitchforks for the motherfuckers…
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- Richard Braverman Says:
- February 15, 2013 at 12:11 am
- kibitzer3…please recall that the oligarchs, described by Dean, contracted the money supply to foster the greater depression and then used their leverage with politicians to initiate World War 2. The expansion and contraction of the money supply is a time tested methodology to consolidate wealth. You build a business and then I buy it for pennies on the dollar when the time is right. When they finished squeezing the blood from the turnips, i.e you and me, then start a world war for some honest for goodness destruction, which requires guns, bullets, helmets, boots, fatigues and not to mention some very expensive toys that actually do not work. After the war, we rebuild and start the whole madness over again.
The problem is that all of us have been fed garbage for the last fifty years ( or ever since 1913?). Just sorting through the manure will take time and have its own unique consequences and detours.
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- Mr. Wise Says:
- February 15, 2013 at 3:56 pm
- Hi Kibitzer.
I love you. Please share with me your bank account number and let me borrow a couple of your credit cards. I could really use the help!
Love,
hotdog
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Part 2:
Watchful Eye Says:
February 15, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Just happened to run across this article at Global Research, speaking of the Neocons and the “Progressives” who used to be Democrasts ( I was raised one ) found it on topic here
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-and-the-iran-contra-scandal-how-neocons-messed-up-the-mideast/5323076
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-and-the-iran-contra-scandal-how-neocons-messed-up-the-mideast/5323076
I only have a farm girl from Indiana in the 50′s 60′s education, but since 9-11 and so many snafu’s with that fiasco, I’ve tried to broaden my view and get some sort of order out of what I thought was “my country” and what I have seen politically and socially around me the last few decades. My grammer may not be the best, my verbage lacking and context not academic enough for some or most of you, but I do try and thats more than most people seem able to muster and care enough to do about this country any more. Patting myself on the back a bit folks 
Didn’t really understand the different “forms” of Gov I realized so got a legal pad and did some old fashioned homework.
My favorite albiet not college grade defination of Fascism is the one from Mussolini
Not a direct quote, but I’ll give it a go…. The marriage of Corporate and State…. in fact, if memory serves , he said Corporatism should really be called Fascism.
My favorite albiet not college grade defination of Fascism is the one from Mussolini
Not a direct quote, but I’ll give it a go…. The marriage of Corporate and State…. in fact, if memory serves , he said Corporatism should really be called Fascism.
If we aren’t living in Corporate Fascism ( and both parties along with the Supreme Court are fine with that and even call it LEGAL) then I sure as HELL don’t want to live in anything more “corporate’ or “fascist” than this.
Didn’t even know the definition of Anarchist but when I read it, and thought about it, I may well be one.
No form of Government to date has endured so where do we go from here? Would appreciate any suggestions because, as stated in a previous post, we are indeed, In Dire Straits. (forgive, they are one of my favorite bands )
No form of Government to date has endured so where do we go from here? Would appreciate any suggestions because, as stated in a previous post, we are indeed, In Dire Straits. (forgive, they are one of my favorite bands )
A damn good start to fixing some of the damage to me would be stopping Bernake in his tracks and taking his power to print money out of air and buying US Bonds nobody else wants to purchase any longer. This just smells bad and makes no sense at all to this Hoosier !!
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- February 16, 2013 at 11:20 pm
- A good look at things, Watchful Eye.
You asked: “So where do we go from here?” I tried to point out above what is obvious to me on that score. It got rather short shrift from Dean and his denizens. But you seem a decent sort, with a caring, and open-minded, attitude. So here goes with an attempt to put some more meat on the plate, as it were. (And I’m trying to have a little spoof with you here, with my high-falutin’ language, in your concern about being “just a farm girl from Indiana”. Look at the trouble some very smart folks, with degrees up the gazoo, have got us in. And speaking of: Yes, a “damn good start to fixing some of the damage…would be stopping” Bernanke “in his tracks…” What you described him doing is called ‘monetizing the debt’ – paying off debt with debt. What it actually bought was a bit of time, is all. And was a sign, if there ever needed to be one, that we are in an end game.)
1) The answer to the problem is not going to be found on the level of the problem.
2) As long as we think of money as an end in itself – i.e., the making of money for its own sake, rather than as the means to the end of exchanging goods and services – we will never get to the answer of humanity’s predicament. We need to eliminate that idea, of money as an end in itself, which comes from the invention of interest-bearing money – the idea of making money ON money.
3) If you HAD gone to college, Hoosier Lady, with your keen mind & interests you may well have come across the philosophy of Friedrich Hegel, and his take on the development/evolution of nations. Called the ‘dialectic’ (the basis for the Marxian concept of ‘dialectical materialism’), he posited such evolution to consist of a) a ‘thesis’ – a statement of being; which, because it is not complete (still has ‘internal contradictions’), generates a reaction, called b) the ‘antithesis’; out of which interaction evolves c) a ‘synthesis’, picking up elements of both ‘statements’. But because the whole process is still not complete, that ‘synthesis’ stage becomes the ‘thesis’ of another go-’round; the whole thing having brought us – through such stages as feudalism – to this day. Without going into this process, and the current stage of historical development, in detail, let me just say that “we are in an end game” indeed; with the imminent collapse of the western monetary system (because of its ‘internal contradictions’), and the concomitant development of globalization, and the showdown between – to put it simply – materialism and spiritualism. (For the latter, read, e.g., ‘Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon’s Journey into the Afterlife’, by Eben Alexander, M.D.)-
I am saying that we are at an End of History. And the sooner we recognize that, the better.
So, keep checking things out, Hoosier Lady, rather than just on the likes of this site. As to that statement: Don’t anybody here get me wrong. For example, Dean has challenged life in ways that I never have, and I respect him for that. But he, and his ‘followers’, need to look outside of their comfort-zone box for the answers. And that entails looking neither backwards, nor forwards on a merely linear timeline. But Up.-
And we don’t get there from here. To say, from this current level of consciousness; where we think of each other as antagonists. Rather than as brothers and sisters – sparks; fractals – of the All That Is.
Some who will make the grade sooner than others, is all.
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So, to my perspective, it's the End of History; leaving nowhere else to go but Up. Or back, to the 3D realm of same old, same old.
Which those who opt for that outcome will get tired of. Sooner. Or later.
And the sooner the better.
For all concerned.
For all concerned.
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