More On More Whistleblowing

I've had a couple of responses to my comment posted here yesterday, under title of More Whistleblowing, to the following article: 

from westernjournalism.com: 'Watch: Fox News Expert Lets Slip Obama Birth Certificate Could Be A Fraud' - B. Christopher Agee - Aug. 14

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ELLEN

August 15, 2014 at 3:38 am

Re: “The whole PURPOSE of the constitutional Framers putting that ‘natural born citizen’ eligibility requirement in the Constitution for the office of the presidency was so that a candidate for that office – who would also, if elected, become the Commander in Chief of the nation’s military forces – would not have DUAL/CONFLICTING LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCES.  Like a naturalized citizen. And like a Dual citizen  Like Obama. ”

Answer: They DID exclude naturalized citizens, like Arnold. But they did not exclude dual citizens and in fact James Madison was one when he was president, having been made a full voting citizen of FRANCE during the French Revolution. And like Obama Woodrow Wilson was a dual citizen at birth since his mother never renounced her British subject status when she married Wilson’s father becoming automatically a US citizen while staying still a British subject, so that to the British at the time Wilson at birth was, wait for it, BRITISH.

IF the writers of the US Constitution, like James Madison, had meant to exclude dual citizens at birth or dual citizens afterwards or dual citizens at all—they would have told us, and they didn’t.

RAN TALBOTT

August 15, 2014 at 11:01 am

“And like a Dual citizen Like Obama.’
Your first problem is that he’s not, and hasn’t been for decades.

Your second problem is that Jefferson and Madison were both dual citizens AT THE TIME THEY WERE ELECTED.

So your argument that the Framers were fanatical about the issue is, to out it succinctly, crap.

KIBITZER2

August 15, 2014 at 5:30 pm

Sorry, Ellen, I don’t have time for you anymore. Got a nation to help save, from you and your lot.

It SHOULD be as obvious as the nose on your face (and how long is it now, Plnocchio?) that the constitutional Framers were meaning, by putting the NBC requirement in there, to exclude from the office of the presidency – and potential Commander in Chief of the new nation’s military forces – any citizen with a taint of DUAL/CONFLICTING LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCES. Which CERTAINLY included those born with dual citizenship, as WELL as naturalized citizens.

Duh.

As far as the Republicans: You seem reasonably intelligent: Did it never occur to you that the Republican Party would like AS WELL to be free from the NBC issue/stumbling block, in order to benefit them and THEIR potential candidates for that office? Especially – looking down the population road (as political strategists are prone to do) – with potential Hispanic vote winners like Cruz and Rubio?? Is that, really, too much of a stretch for your mind to encompass???

I think not. But time – and posts – will tell.

KIBITZER2

August 15, 2014 at 5:44 pm

Ran: I do not take kindly to having someone insult my intelligence. Having made that clear:

1) The issue is whether one was/is a “natural born citizen” or not. Not what they might or might not have done after the fact, regarding the circumstances of their birth.

2) The Founders’ generation was exempt from the requirement; one only had to be a citizen, of this fledgling new nation, that was FULL of what would become dual citizens (and naturalized citizens) of the U.S. of A.

If ‘we’ want to change this eligibility requirement for that office, we can. Legally, by constitutional amendment.

Any other form of change is tyranny.  And must be treated as such.

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P.S. And while on the subject that I broached in my response to Ellen: I just sent off the following note to Reince Priebus, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, which group has just hit me up for some financial support for the next three months:

"Dear Reince,

"Sure, I'll help the RNC -

"Just as soon as you and the RNC call Obama for what he is: a Usurper and Imposter.  Then I'll get on board.

"Oh - but that may wreck the RNC's own plans to subvert the 'big C' too, perhaps?…

"It's a funny old world.  Isn't it, Reince."

(signed

"P.S. A 'natural born citizen' means what it implies; a special kind of citizen: NO DUAL/CONFLICTING LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCES.  Like a naturalized citizen.  And like a dual citizen.

"Like the Usurper in the Oval Officer as we speak."

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No one is ever going to be able to accuse me of not being a strong advocate of and for Limitless Truth.
  
Limitless Love I still have a ways to go to cover, and embody, yet.

I'll get there.  Because that's part of The Plan.  Of the whole point, to the operation.  Which can be called, Operation Gods In The Making.

But in the meantime, it's just a bridge too far for me…with all this darkness around.

Yeah yeah.  Love the sinner; not the sin.

Still…

Some 'sinners' seem to identify so greatly with their roles.  It just drives me up the wall.

How easily we forget, sometimes.

Where we came from.

As natural born citizens of the kingdom of God.