Wednesday 29 July 2009

The Obama Birth Certificate Brouhaha

The Guardian today had an article revealing the controversy in the States over Obama's birth certificate, conducted with typical liberal put-down tongue in cheek, and ending on the note that it has all been inspired by racism. Having done some investigation into this matter, I felt compelled to add my two cents' worth. Not that I hold out much hope that the Guardian will print my letter to their editor. So here it is.

"Dear Editor,

"The president of MSNBC is quoted as saying that the issue about Barack Obama's birth certificate is "racist" (Born-again right puts focus on Obama's birth certificate, 29 July). This is too facile a response. The matter is much more substantial than that.

"The matter first had to be addressed in more detail because it turned out that the document carried on the Obama camp's website was in point of fact not a copy of his original, vault-copy birth certificate - as the McCain camp provided for their candidate - but only a 'Certification of Live Birth' that the state of Hawaii issued for any child whose parents had been resident in the state for a year prior to the birth, regardless of where the child was actually born. This information coincided with reports on YouTube that his paternal grandmother said she was present at his birth in a hospital in Kenya. The Hawaiian state health director then issued a statement that, far from clearing the matter up, was ambiguous, further creating suspicion. This was exacerbated as well by the facts that Obama still refused (a) to let his original, vault-copy bc be released, and (b) to let his college application records be reviewed, as to how he presented himself for enrolment and financial support.

"Obama could have cleared this whole thing up long ago by authorizing release of his original bc. He refused to. This is not a witchhunt. This is a legitimate request for clarity on the matter.

"As for the Hawaiian state health director's recent statement: Many US citizens will no longer accept to buy a pig in a poke, with or without lipstick. It's time for Obama and his advisers to realise that the citizenry deserve total transparency in this matter. Or the poison will undermine his presidency, and his stated desire to bring about real change. Rather, it smacks of politics as usual. Not a good start.

"Yours sincerely," etc.

Perhaps the issue isn't clear enough to non-Americans. The Constitution of the US is very clear on it: that a candidate for the office of the president must be a natural born citizen, ie, of at least one US citizen on US soil. Indeed, Sen. McCain's candidacy was also up for question, because although he was born of two US parents, he was not born in the continental US, or on US soil. His case was that he was born in a US military base in the Panama Canal, and so that counted as at least de facto American soil. However, it turned out that he was not in fact born on the base - even if that argument could have passed constitutional muster - but in a hospital in Panama City. However as well, that issue became moot when he lost the election.

Back to Obama's case. It is a very murky matter. I didn't have space in my letter to mention other aspects: the age (read: underage) of his mother at his birth, with a British-Kenyan citizen for a father; his mother's subsequent marriage to an Indonesian citizen, where dual citizenship is not recognised, thus he must have become a citizen of that country and lost his purported US citizenship; what his passport gave as his citizenship when he traveled to Pakistan; and the fact that two different hospitals in Honolulu have been given as his place of birth, including by his half-sister from his mother's marriage to the Indonesian. What, in short, is going on here?

And incidentally, the first comment by the Hawaiian state health director, which I referred to as "ambiguous", was even more than that. With all the rumours and theories going around at the time, and total transparency being clearly called for, it was just plain outright slippery. She said that she and a colleague had looked at Obama's hospital record, and could verify that the Hawaii State Department of Health "has [his] original birth certificate on record, in accordance with state policies and procedures". Full stop.

Say what? And? And.......??

Outrageous.

And American citizens continue to be outraged by all this stonewalling. Citizens, who have to pony up certified copies of their true birth certificates to get a passport and so forth - what makes Obama think that he's any better than anybody else. Etc etc.

It's not only a major public relations disaster on his part. It's quite possibly a cover-up of the real facts. Which won't be known, until he consents to have his original, long-form bc released. If it still exists. Untouched.

There's more, than even most of those who have been following this saga closely know about. It turns out that his background in Illinois, before he started his political rise, has some murky aspects to it as well. To do with his time at a law firm called Sidley Austin. Where he met his subsequent wife. Who has some very murky aspects to her story as well. To do with things like the alternative picture for America of the Weather Underground, and computer technology gaining a cabal of people access to various secure sites, including airplanes engineered into flying bombs, and the capability to issue passports to selected people, like hired assassins, and to intriguing characters like one Barry Soetoro. Who needed help in cleaning up his US passport act....

What a tangled web people weave, when first they think to deceive. Or something like that.....

6 comments:

smrstrauss said...

Re: "Obama could have cleared this whole thing up long ago by authorizing release of his original bc. He refused to. This is not a witchhunt. This is a legitimate request for clarity on the matter."

It is not Obama but Hawaii that is to blame for not releasing the original birth certificate. You say that Obama could have authorized the release of the original.

That is not true. Hawaii sends out only the Certification of Live Birth. http://www.starbulletin.com/features/20090606_kokua_line.html

So Obama cannot show something he does not have. He asked Hawaii for a copy of his birth certificate. Hawaii sent him the Certification of Live Birth, which is what it sends to everyone.

Unless Hawaii changes its rules and sends out the original, Obama cannot authorize it to be shown. He cannot even get a copy himself, because Hawaii sends out only the Certification.

The solution, of course, is to get Hawaii to change its rules to send out the original to those who ask for it, or at the least to allow the birth files of a president to be public documents that anyone can see.

I say this because I am convinced that the original birth certificate in Obama's file must show that he was born in Hawaii.

Then why doesn't he show it? Because he can't. He doesn't have it. Why not? Because Hawaii doesn't send it out.


What is the solution? Petition Hawaii to change the rules. The name of the governor of Hawaii is Linda Lingle.

smrstrauss said...

Re: 'Citizens, who have to pony up certified copies of their true birth certificates to get a passport and so forth - what makes Obama think that he's any better than anybody else. Etc etc."

The Certification of Live Birth that Obama has posted and shown to FactCheck and Polifact, is the official birth certificate of Hawaii. http://www.starbulletin.com/features/20090606_kokua_line.html

It is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department.

Stan said...

Thank you, smrstrauss, for your comments. There's still confusion here. In two separate articles in the Star-Bulletin there are these comments:

(1) "[State Health Director Fukino] says that 'state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a tangible interest in it'." [AP, Oct. 31 '08]

(2) "State law prohibits the release of a birth certificate except to a person seeking his or her own certificate and the person's spouse, parent or legal guardian." (Star-Bulletin Staff & News Services, Nov. 1 '08]

This makes it appear as though Obama indeed could have access to his "certified birth certificate", and not just accept another document in its place - especially:

(a) regarding something as important as the presidency of the US, with a candidate with Muslim roots (the Obama camp should have bent over backwards to be as 'above reproach' as Caesar's wife in this regard); and

(b) regarding a document that is issued as well to persons who weren't even born in the state. In the circumstances, just because this sort of document is acceptable for most official purposes is hardly the point, and is even an example of obscurantism.

And further, as regards the document on the Obama camp's website: There are sites on the web that demonstrate - that purport to demonstrate - that this COLB has been Photoshopped, as against others issued around the same time.

I accept that there has been a change in record-keeping in Hawaii, with bc's moved into electronic form; but from what I gather, the originals are still on file. Thus the public can still see the details of his birth, ie, who was there, precisely where it took place, etc.

It is imperative that this information be released to the public, to put this matter to rest.

Comments?

smrstrauss said...

Re: "makes it appear as though Obama indeed could have access to his "certified birth certificate", "

The certified birth certificate referred to is the Certification of Live Birth. When someone authorizes release of a birth certificate in Hawaii, that means they release the Certification of Live Birth. They never release the original or a copy of the original. They never send out the original anymore.

Remember, the Certification of Live Birth is a birth certificate. It is the ONLY birth certificate that Hawaii sends out, and it is the only one that someone can request for himself or authorize to be sent.


Re: "(b) regarding a document that is issued as well to persons who weren't even born in the state. In the circumstances, just because this sort of document is acceptable for most official purposes is hardly the point, and is even an example of obscurantism."

In 1961, when Obama was born, the document could only be issued to persons who were born in Hawaii. Even today, now that the law has been changeed (in 1982, more than twenty years after Obama was born), the document cannot lie about the place of birth. The new law allows a Hawaii birth certificate to be issued to parents who were resident in Hawaii for a year, but if the child were born in, say, Atlanta, GA, the document will say: "Hawaii birth certificate, Place of Birth: Atlanta, GA."

Re: "the Obama camp should have bent over backwards to be as 'above reproach' as Caesar's wife in this regard)"

They did the best they could. It is because HAWII does not send out the original that Obama cannot post it or show it. If he lost his copy of the original, and most likely he did, as many of us do, then all that he can show is what Hawaii sent to him, which was the Certification.

Can't he get a copy of the original now? Not unless Hawaii changes its rules.

You want to see the original? So do I. I am convinced that it will show Obama was born in Hawaii. What can we do about it? We can't get it from Obama. He does not have it. We can get it only from Hawaii, and only by convincing the government of Hawaii to change its rules or to change its law to allow the original birth certificate of a president to be a public document. The governor of Hawaii is Linda Lingle.

Stan said...

smrstrauss,

First of all, to say that I appreciate your input into this matter. And I will try to follow up on the key point you have made here, that "In 1961, when Obama was born, the document could only be issued to persons who were born in Hawaii..." For that is not what I have read elsewhere; so if you have a source of info on that that you can reference, it would be helpful to this dialogue. In the meantime, below is a reference to what an investigator has come up with on this matter.

But first, I want to be crystal clear at the outset where I'm coming from. I'm not interested in defending one side or the other in this issue. Very similar to you, I'm only interested in the truth (hence the title of my blog). We just have a different take on what has led up to this point in time in this matter. I see obfuscation having taken place - and suspected deliberate obfuscation - by Obama and his camp, given the whole of the picture. You would appear to be giving him the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, let's go from here.

And again to say, there is still some sort of discrepancy here, in the facts, or at the least, misunderstanding.

(1) At least one person, whose twins were born near the same time as Obama, in the same (reputed) hospital, has been shown on the net displaying the 'vault', long-form copies of their bc's. So they are, or at the very least were, issuable. Ref:
wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageld=l05347; article posted July 28th, titled "Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates."

(2) The WND posted a link to an article by an investigator on:
westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697; article titled 'Clearing the Smoke on Obama's Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator's June 10 Report' [updated July 18th]. In it he states: "In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of 'original birth certificate'. Under Act 182, H.B. NO. 3016-82, 'Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.' In this way 'state policies and procedures' accommodate even 'children born out of State' (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an 'original birth certificate on record.' So it is even possible that the birth certificate referred to by Dr Fukino is of the kind specified in Act 182..." etc etc.

Now granted, WND are partisans in the matter. but if they hadn't been, it wouldn't have been investigated as thoroughly as it has been. So if we need to take material issuing from their site with a grain of salt, let's at least distinguish between the messenger and the message, and keep our eye on that ball.

Hopefully we're - all - getting there. As I said, it is imperative that this matter be dealt with definitively, and put to rest. Americans have enough on their plates, without this matter adding to their concerns.

The bottom line here is living by the rule of law. Either we live by that yardstick or we do not. If we do not, then there is no limit to the damage that can be wrought, by people who feel they are above the law. Thank you; no thanks. We've had enough of that attitude in humanity's chequered history. It's time for a change. Change we can believe in...

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