Western Center for Journalism: 'Obama's Eligibility: Rep. Tom McClintock Pussyfoots' - Sept. 28 - Daniel Noe
- Re: “To be a natural born citizen of America, both birth parents have to be American citizens before the birth. ”
- Turning to that aspect of the birther myth. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, not to the parents of a US-born Citizen.
- “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
- That definition was stated by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, which BTW was after Minor v. Happersett, so it would have overturned it (if Minor v Happersett actually were a ruling on the matter). And the Wong Kim Ark case ruled six justices to two, one not voting, that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law (hence not from Vattel), and that it refers to the place of birth, and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is Natural Born.
- So far there have been seven state courts and one federal court that have ruled on the NBC status of Obama and one (Hollinder v McCain) that ruled on the NBC status of McCain, and all nine of them ruled that the definition of Natural Born Citizen was laid down in the Wong Kim Ark supreme court ruling, and that it says that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen. That makes Rubio, and Jindal, and yes, Obama, all Natural Born Citizens due to their place of birth. Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate, and the Index Data, and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles from the nearest foreign country all show.
- I understand that his white grandmother worked in vital records at the courthouse and probably did not want his birth to appear as bastardized. These people were Communists, according to what I farther understand. The grandfather was great friends with Marshall Davis.
- That old man talking is leaving out how long this thing has been in the works and the planning that has gone into it. The reason in the beginning for a falsified birth announcement may have been for simple reason of receiving social benefits for young Barak. It just may have blossomed into what it is. Barak Obama is from all I have read and from the experts, not eligible to be in our White House. He should be arrested. He knows the score and is trying to finish a work for those who raised him and groomed him from his early youth to do just what he is doing. Obama is doing nothing now but supressing freedoms, breaking the finances of this country and slowly instituting Muslim ideals into the country. What does everyone think he is doing. He is pandering to those who are less educated who do not know what he is doing, or those who are dumed down so much they are unable to think or even take care of their own basic needs, and the youth of this country, and the fringes of society who want to justify their lifestyles. He is using them for a rag tag army to raise hell when he and they do not get what they want.
- Obama’s white grandmother worked in a bank.
- Hawaii is still thousands of miles from the nearest foreign country, and very very few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. (And the government of Kenya, where birthers allege that he was born, says that it investigated and he certainly was NOT born there.) And Obama has a birth certificate from Hawaii, and it is confirmed by the officials of both parties and by the Index Data and by the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.
- Orlie Taitz and all those 156 investigators who have received verified information as to Obama’s eligibility and the computer experts, lawyers, etc. are not guessing. They know. I am wondering if Congress does not know and are waiting until after the election. For all we know, we have been taken over already with threats of great destruction if Obama is moved upon. Those people could not be that in the dark or that cowardly. Something must be up. There are some 11 states where they are (or have been) trying to get Obama off the ticket because of his ineligibility. Those judges and prosecutors are trying, but seem to be finding ways not to do this in some instances. Orlie Taitz is a doctor and a lawyer who seems to be running herself ragged to keep court appointments and take witnesses. Those courts do not seem to be making it easy for her. It is like the people who should be, are not trying to find out the truth. That leads me to believe there is a very high up cover up by the Administration and Congress. Obama is keeping the masses in line in the communities who are likely to raise hell by promising them things he has no intention of delivering. If later when they see through all of this, and they raise hell, he will have become so entrenched he will bring them to mass harm without the compunction normally used by America. This man can, if he is who he is appearing to be, extend his term indefinately and all of us are in trouble who stand against this. Congress is likely playing dumb. Does that seem possible? Could they know the truth and not allowing what should be done to be done? If so, why?
- Orly Taitz is a trial lawyer who earns money for all the cases that she works on. As for the 156 (?) investigators–they are birther investigators, who in most cases have not shown their credentials, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial. As for Sheriff Joe and his investigators in particular:
- These are some reasons why Ann Coulter, Glen Beck, Bill O’Reilly, the National Review, and the conservative secretary of state of Arizona do not believe the Cold Case Posse or other birther “investigators” and do believe the birth certificate of Hawaii, and the confirmation of the officials in Hawaii, and the Index Data file, and the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii and the fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country and women very rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days.
- I have been reading your take on this matter for years, and I have to say that your take on the definition of a NBC does not jibe with other information on it. It wouldn’t be such a big deal, to have put it in the Constitution for that particular federal office and no other – the office as well of the Commander in Chief of the military forces of the pending Republic – if all it meant was just to have been born jus soli – born on the soil. It meant jus sanguinis as well – born of the blood; to say, having no foreign allegiance. It was a measure for national security purposes; which was why John Jay – then to become the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court – recommended it to G. Washington, to be inserted in the Constitution being developed at the Constitutional Convention. Which incidentally, turned down Hamilton’s first draft, where he called for the presidential candidate to be just a citizen. Got it? That option was turned down.
- The Founding Fathers did not go by English common law – they were trying to extricate themselves from any links of potential allegiance to Great Britain. They were going by Natural Law in their thinking – including Vattel. Mario Apuzzo has gone into all this in great detail.
- Edwin Meese’s take on the matter may have something to do with why the Republican Party has gone along with this scam. The best answer is that they wanted to have their own dog in that fight, too; i.e., wanted to be able to put up candidates who were not NBC as well, and did a Machiavellian deal with the Democrat Party honchos to keep schtum on their candidate Obama. McCain himself might still be found to have been ineligible, for not having been born on the equivalent of U.S. soil abroad, as he may have been born in Panama City, not on the military base of his parents’ assignment; another reason that the Republican Party joined in this crime.
- The tipoff to a criminal conspiracy between the Republican Party and the Democrat Party is that both political parties tried five times over the 8 years preceding the 2008 elections to get a constitutional amendment starting through Congress on this very issue – to release the too-strict (in their eyes) NBC requirement – and failed even to get it out of committee every time. So, obviously, they ultimately got together (whether in a smoke-filled room or not is immaterial) and decided to do an end-around on the Constitution and the American people. Wrong decision. It will ultimately land them in jail.
- After a fair hearing in a – fair – court of law, of course: brought up on RICO charges, of criminal collusion. Which will prove that both the major political parties are not just observedly but legally corrupt, and need to be dissolved forthwith. What will also come out of those proceedings is how Nancy Pelosi committed a felony by signing off on Obama’s eligibility, out of the 2008 Democratic Party Nominating Convention, to be “constitutionally qualified” to run for the office, knowing it was an untruth because she changed the wording to the States’ authorities on the matter, eliminating that wording to them; only providing it to the Hawaiian authorities, who wanted to cover themselves and make sure the Democrat Party carried the can if the truth ever came out. Which it is; and continuing to.
- The efforts of the Democrat Party, and the Republican Party, and apologists for deception like yourself, notwithstanding.
- [For a good summary of the case, see birthers.org, their paper: 'Vattel's Influence on the Term a Natural Born Citizen']
'Two Smothered Stories: Vets Running Away From Obama; Even NPR Fans Not Happy With Illegal Aliens' - Sept. 28 - Dr Kevin 'Coach' Collins
You are right phyl1943, Janet Murguia, as well as all liberals and open border advocates, think that if we happen to disagree with them, it is hate speech and discrimination. Well lets see Janet, I am a Hispanic immigrant and an Independent, who don’t agree with you views at all. If we don’t like you stand and you discrimination, because yes, look yourself in the mirror before you accuse us and you will have a clear image of the racist here, that does not mean that we hate Hispanics. It is a big difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, we are immigrants because we took the time to do things right, they are illegals and not undocumented, as you all like to call them, because documents they all have, forgery or someone else identity, but documents is something they all have.
To call them immigrants is a slap in the face to all of us, who waited in real lines at our countries of origin, to respect the laws and do things right.
To call them immigrants is a slap in the face to all of us, who waited in real lines at our countries of origin, to respect the laws and do things right.
- Well said, and felt, anazunigamaus. I have all kinds of respect for people who come here legally and enter the melting pot and become Americans. They are a major strength to this nation. I have no respect for people who come here illegally. I can sympathize with their economic situation. But they can wait their turn, like immigrants like you did.
- Disrespect for the law is the first thing that they come in with; and then it carries over into their time here, with false ID papers and so forth – sneaking around the edges of the society. So they are not good citizen material to start with. Also, unfortunately many of them (besides the witting) are unwitting supporters of the philosophy of La Raza; who, if they get their way, will destroy the goose that laid the golden egg that attracted them in the first place; and with it, the nation of America, morphed into their version of a country. For this, and other reasons, such people must not be allowed to have their way. And definitely not in the way of defining what is free speech, and what is so-called ‘hate speech’. What a wakeup call that is…
In summary. There are forces on the Left of U.S politics (and the world) trying to lasso the U.S. into their version of a New World Order, based on a socialist state template,where the people do what the state wants them to do, from their political perspective. And there are forces on the Right of U.S. politics (and the world) trying to lasso the U.S. into their version of a New World Order, based on a fascist state template, where the people do what the state wants them to do, from their political perspective. In both versions, the U.S. as it is is to be eliminated; and along with it, its Constitution - which is the biggest stumbling block to the best-laid plans of both camps.
Both extremes are to be avoided. What is going on, in history, is a move neither to the Left nor to the Right. But Up.
To happen this year.
This cosmologically greatly significant year...
And I am having a hard time seeing signs of it, in the body politic.
All seems to be business as usual. And that attitude - that mindset - needs to be broken out of - shaken out of - for The New to enter into human consciousness.
I know that it is happening. But it seems to be happening rather slowly. And I worry, for those souls who are not going to make the grade. The cut.
For it will happen, regardless of the awareness state of the individual souls involved in the process.
What would I like to see happen?
I would like to see a body - Oathkeepers, in essence - quietly take charge, arresting the 'ringleaders' of the political scam going on in America these days - on both sides of the political aisle. The dissolution of the sitting Congress, for having failed in its duty to keep the Executive branch in faith to the Constitution. Both major political parties taken to court - at the very least, to the court of public opinion - on RICO charges (as mentioned above). The Usurper in the office of the president of the United States to vacate that dishonored office. The People, in an unmistakable wave of acclamation, to appoint an Officer OF The People to set things right - who will in part clean out the Augean stables of the Executive branch of the federal government of those civil servants of The People who have not been doing their regulatory job properly, with integrity. And who will clarify the New Order of Things, to come into being, for the nation, and the world's peoples - at last. In conjunction with what has been called Disclosure: Direct contact with Humanity's brothers and sisters of the third dimension and beyond, here in support* of this major moment in Humanity's spiritual unfolding: a move up in dimension; in conjunction with that of Gaia, and, indeed, with this Solar system as a whole. For the Sun - our Sun - is involved in this shift as well.
The shift is, in a word, big.
Far bigger than determinations of whether 'the Democrat' or 'the Republican' is going to win the presidential nomination, or 'the Democrats' or 'the Republicans' are going to gain control of the Congress. For those political parties need to be dissolved, as criminal entities. And the transformation is bigger than that, anyway; involving, as it does as well, the dissolution of the world's monetary system. As hopelessly corrupt, and rickety - not fit for purpose any longer (if it ever was). And needing to be superseded anyway. For its time has come, to go; and in its place, a system installed of people sharing their goods and services with one another - and giving of their best in the process - out of a higher motive than the profit motive. Out of the highest motive there is, and could ever be:
out of gratitude to our Creator for life with meaning.
Out, of in a word: Love.
And thus will enter in an Era of such as what are called free energy devices; and Abundance. And Joy.
The Joy of living in perfect alignment and harmony with Spirit.
Before the major shift through the portal into The New, there needs to be a Reckoning, with Justice being served, of actions that have been taken by leaders, both behind the scenes and in front. But that could consist of a Truth And Reconciliation series of meetings; with the Truth of what all that has been going on, coming out, for The People to see what all has been done in their name. So as not to get too bogged down in justice-serving. Justice will be served; yes. For there is justice inherent in the universe. But it can be served in the natural way, of Karma. The main thing that needs to happen in this regard is for the information to come out, of what all has been going on; that we can realize, fully, the truth of the biblical admonition, that
Without a vision, the people perish.
We have not been living with full consciousness as to our lives, and the lives of those around us; that, in essence:
We Are One.
So we all need to take responsibility for what has been going on, 'in Our name'.
And then - and only then - can we move on.
Into the Golden Age of fable.
Now become real.
In our time.
In Our time.
Before Time - which is a function of the third dimension, of essential illusion - comes to an end.
For those of Us who will be, by then - by the end of this calendar year - ready for Ascension.
For the others...
Their time will come.
So to speak...
But the rest will not be held back by the laggards.
So, come on, People - join in on the joy of the Transformation.
You'll be glad you did.
And so will all of the rest of Us.
* because they are a part of the All That Is, and we are a part of the All That Is; and so therefore as we gain, so do they.
Besides, we are direct family to some of them.