Monday 2 May 2016

Yosemite Is Not The Only Pot Beginning To Boil


1) further from patriotupdate.com:’Ted Cruz An Immigrant, Says Wife’ - Andrew West - May 1

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I have read the law as stated many times, but wouldn't it be easier to just state "A Natural Born citizen is, any person born of two US citizens." That would be definitive leaving no need for litigation or question. Obama, Cruz and Rubio would all be ineligible, but all their children would be eligible. Simple without question or corruption of documentation.

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         657241 freedomoutpost ken 6 hours ago 
  • They have to be born on US soil or Us Territory, with BOTH parents US citizens or naturalized US citizens at time of birth. Obama, Cruz, Rubio. Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal are not eligible and will never be.

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         kibitzer3 freedomoutpost ken 7 hours ago (May 1)
  • No, fo ken: That is NOT enough of a definition. Why try to make up one? The definition is in the historical record, as understood at the time that that eligibility requirement was codified in the Constitution for that particular office: A 'natural born' citizen is a person "born in the country, of parents who are citizens..." (That's what makes it 'natural,' for heaven's sake.)

  • The definition comes from E. de Vattel's definitive tome of the day on such matters,'The Law of Nations' (Book One, Ch. XIX, Sect. 212); with which it is known that the constitutional Framers were well familiar. (It was taught in the universities of the day, e.g..) The whole point of the exercise on their part being to make sure that the occupant of the presidential office - who would as well then become the Commander in Chief of the nation's military forces - had NO DUAL OR OTHERWISE CONFLICTING LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCES OR INFLUENCES. Had SOLE ALLEGIANCE to the U.S..

  • And we have certainly seen the wisdom of that requirement for that office, in the terrible example of the Usurper in the Oval Office as we speak. Who is doing his best to take down this country. And, unless the citizenry wake up to their responsibilities in such a major matter, may just succeed in doing so.

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  •          Most Rev. Archbishop Gregori kibitzer3 7 hours ago (May 1)

    • Excellent understanding of the frame of mind of the Founders and where they got their understanding of "natural born citizen".

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  •          freedomoutpost ken kibitzer3 7 hours ago (May 1)

    • Something needs to be done, because the liberals don't get the current meaning. More likely they have found a way to manipulate the meaning, it needs to be stated so there is no room for another meaning.

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  •                     kibitzer3 freedomoutpost ken a few seconds ago  (May 1)

      • There is no clearer way to state it than by the plain English in which it is already stated. The problem is not in the definition. The problem is in nefarious people. who try to pretend that there is some problem, or 'confusion,' when there is none; and is in the failure of Average Joe and Jill American to realize the importance of their taking responsibility for their own governance in this country, rather than relying on a professional class to make all the decisions for them.

      • Now, I realize that a lot of the problem is in the education that they have received (at the hands of ideologues). But still, there is no excuse for their not understanding their own Constitution. Self-governance, People. Self-governance. Not to be governed by Royal or Church or Oligarchy or Despot. That was Old World stuff. This nation was founded, in its New World, on the concept of the birth of a New Nation, where The People were the sovereign.

      • There's still time to save The Dream. But barely.

2) further on wnd.com: ‘Are Ted Cruz Delegates Starting To Freak?’’ - May 1

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kibitzer3 4 hours ago (May 1)

Any day now the Truth is going to get through the MSM blockade to more Republicans about Ted Cruz's ineligibility for the office of POTUS, and just then will American begin to recover from the terrible blow that was struck against the rule of law in this country - i.e., the Constitution - when said MSM was able to keep the American public from understanding that Obama was, and is, a Usurper in and of the office.

The historical record is very clear on the issue of the definition of a 'natural born' citizen as understood by the constitutional Framers when they put it into their contract for that particular office as an eligibility requirement: that being a person "born in the country, of parents who are citizens". (E. de Vattel, 'The Law of Nations,' Book One, Ch. XIX, Sect. 212.) The whole POINT of the exercise on the part of the Framers being to make sure that the occupant of that office, who would then as well become the Commander in Chief of the nation's military forces, had NO DUAL OR OTHERWISE CONFLICTING LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCES OR INFLUENCES. Had SOLE ALLEGIANCE to the U.S. And thus does the eligibility requirement remain, absent a constitutional amendment to the contrary.

We need to get back to the Constitution - to say, the rule of law - just asap. Otherwise, we are operating under the rule of men. Also known as arbitrary law. Also known as tyranny.

And have been, for long enough, now. And trying to make two wrongs make a right - as Cruz is, with his ineligible candidacy - is NOT the way to go about it.
Out of there, Ted. So that we can concentrate on getting the Usurper out of the office. Before he does any more damage to the federal constitutional republic of the U.S.A. than he already has.

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I agree with everything you put up, but it makes no difference now... Just like it didn't make any difference with Obama.

Call Cruz a natural born citizen, or call him a guy that just stepped off the plane from Pakistan, he'll be our next president if the powers that be has anything to say about it. The constitution is irrelevant at this point. Cruz is eligible, according to the people that make the rules....Forget that he only gave up his Canadian citizenship in 2014 for Christ sake!!!! "The powers that be" are just softening us up and setting legal precedence for ANYONE to hold public office in ANY capacity in this country.

    • San Juan
      kibitzer3 26 minutes ago (May 2)

    • You are either ignorant of the facts or you are just another Trumptroll trying to deflect attention away from Trump's Liberal Socialist Elitist lifetime track record.

    • Ted Cruz's eligibility was settled months ago.
    • The Congressional Research Service reviewed all of the evidence in Cruz's case years ago, and declared him a Natural born citizen through his mother by blood. Thus any child born anywhere in the world is a Natural born citizen by blood. 
    • If a child is born on US soil; then the child is a Native born citizen. 
  •         For you so-called constitutionalist, it is also a fact that Natural born is
  •         NOT defined in the constitution, as it was left up for Congress to 
  •         decide!
  •         Congress also declared Ted Cruz to be a Natural born citizen &
  •         eligible to run for President.

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  •         kibitzer3 San Juan a few seconds ago (May 2)
            (Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by WND.)

            1. "Natural born is NOT defined in the constitution" because the 
  •          constitutional Framers didn't NEED to; they all understood what the 
  •          term meant. 
    • 2. "...as it was left up for Congress to decide" - NOT. How silly can you be? You sound like Humpty Dumpty: 'Words mean what I say they mean.' That means that the Constitution is not a contract, rather is a 'living document' - precisely what the liberals have tried to make it out to be. NOW who's the troll here??? 
    • 3. "Congress also declared Ted Cruz to be a Natural born citizen & eligible to run for President": Congress can declare anything it wants and it doesn't make it so. You obviously don't know the first thing about law. The Constitution is a legal document. It contains an eligibility requirement for the office of POTUS that requires the occupant to be a person born in the country to parents who are its citizens. The only way that that requirement can be changed is by a constitutional amendment. And in point of fact, both current major political parties have signaled that they know that, by having tried a total of 8 times between them, between 2003 and '08, to get just such an amendment going through Congress (i.e,, proposals containing this particular requirement as their common denominator) - and they failed each time even to get their proposals out of committee, such was the sensitivity around this issue. So; THEY KNEW. And know. And have tried instead to do an end-around play on the American people on the issue, trusting their control between them of the MSM and the judicial branch of government.

    • Well, I've got news for you, boyos. You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time. And you're going DOWN for your corruption. Big time.

    • No thanks to trolls. Paid, or unpaid.

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