Monday, 21 March 2016

Continued, With My Fuse Getting Shorter...

further from ‘The Path to the Presidency’ - Jim Ellis - March 20 
(First, to recap a bit:)


The actual wording of the definition is in E. de Vattel's 'The Law of Nations, Or Principles of Natural Law,' Book One, Ch XIX, Sect. 212, as a person "born in the country, of parents who are citizens..." And yes, it does go on: "those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers..." The mother and the father were considered as one, and the father was the one. It's called the doctrine of coverture. That part of things was changed in the 1930s, with the mother becoming a citizen in her own right; but the eligibility requirement itself still stands. The whole POINT of the exercise on the part of the constitutional Framers, in putting that special eligibility requirement in their contract for that particular office, being to make sure that the occupant of that office, who would as well become the Commander in Chief of the nation's military forces, had NO DUAL OR OTHERWISE CONFLICTING LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCES OR INFLUENCES. Had SOLE ALLEGIANCE to the U.S.

Our experience with the Usurper in the Oval Office as we speak should be evidence enough of the wisdom of our Founding Fathers, in doing THEIR best to keep such an atrocity from happening. The rest was up to us descendants. Our bad.



         NativeCalifornian kibitzer3 17 hours ago (March 20/21)
  • Cruz is eligible... it has been challenged... Trump has blustered that he would sue... he hasn't sued... supposedly it isn;t for lack of money or lawyers on retainer... so where is the follow through... maybe this is an example of the "follow through" of Trump on his promises... like his promises to his ex-wives... or the workers and suppliers and creditors he reneged on his promises to when he filed BANKRUPTCY FOUR (4) TIMES, or those 5,000 or so Trump University enrollees... this is exactly what concerns me about Trump... I don't want another chameleon politician... I want a TRUE and steadfast conservative who loves America and its Constitution and founding principles.

  • Anyway here is expert (not self-proclaimed and self-elected and self-exalted armchair constitutional expert) opinion...
    Here is the eligibility issue in a nutshell…

  • To all those here and elsewhere that like to play on this tripe... put up the class action lawsuit or stop pushing the lie and propaganda.

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                   kibitzer3 NativeCalifornian 16 hours ago (March 20/21) 
    • I have checked out your sources. And they are almost laughable in terms of hard facts. Talk about shyster-lawyer gobbledygook. Here is a REAL site for solid info on this subject:


    • Also the blog site of CDR C.F. Kerchner (Ret.) And I could go on. But don't let me spoil your day.

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      • Dan kibitzer3 6 hours ago (March 21)

      • kibitzer3, YOU are wrong!!! This issue has been decided in several courts over the years and because TED CRUZ's mother is a US citizen Ted CRUZ is also a natural born citizen even though born abroad. Barry Goldwater ran for president in 1964 and he was born in Arizona before it was a state. George Romney ran for president in 1968 and hew was born in Mexico. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. All of these presidential candidates were determined to be natural born citizens even though they were born abroad. Furthermore, In just the past few days US District Judge Jill Parrish ruled that TED CRUZ is a natural born citizen and eligible to be president. 
      • Ted Cruz is the only constitutional conservative left in the race. He memorized the Constitution when he was a teenager. He fought and won before the US Supreme court more times than any other lawyer in Texas history. He fought against establishment senators to stop the raising of the debt ceiling, against Obamacare and fought for and won our 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms (Heller Case). While he's been fighting for limited government and our constitution, Trump has been donating thousands to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Clinton herself. He has been a liberal and supported liberals his whole life up until he decided to run for president. All i ask is for my fellow conservatives to judge both of these men by the same criteria. I will support the nominee regardless but for our country's sake i pray that it is TED CRUZ!!!

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        • kibitzer3
          Dan a minute ago (March 21)

        • Dan, with all due respect to the virtues of your candidate, and the perceived drawbacks of the other in question, that is not the issue. The issue is the legality - the eligibility requirement - of the matter. I can't speak to what has happened in the other instances to which you refer (I have been living out of the country for many years). But I know one thing: Two wrongs don't make a right. The NBC requirement was put in the Constitution to avoid THE VERY THING that has been evidenced by the Usurper in the Oval Office as we speak; to keep someone out of that particular federal office - the highest office in the land; and being the Commander in Chief of the nation's military forces to boot - who was not born with SOLE ALLEGIANCE to the U.S., by virtue of having been born in the country (or its legal equivalent) to parents who were its citizens at the time of the person's birth. That was the understanding of the term when it was put in the constitutional contract for that particular office (for which there is considerable historical evidence), and it has not been changed since by the only way that it can legitimately be changed: by a constitutional amendment.

        • I don't know what kind of universe that you naysayers to The Truth of things think that you are living in. But I live in, and support with every fiber of my being, a universe that is made of such qualities as Truth and Justice, to its very core. And Truth and Justice WILL out, regardless of what compromises are made along the way, by our human failures to act accordingly. Yes, to err is human. But not to correct our errors is folly. It is to slow our progress down, as spiritual beings having a human experience, to a positive end. As I say: What folly that would be. That would be to cut off our noses to spite our own faces.

        • Thank you, no thank you. And no thank you to those who would try to act that way to MY country. To whom I say: Get thee behind me. I will brook no such nonsense. Go live in your own universe. Of such qualities as corruption and sleaze. Leave this one alone. Or pay the consequences.
I'm increasingly sad, and disappointed, to have to say that by the looks of things, an awful lot of souls aren't going to make the cut - the grade, and as in a classroom - and are going to have to go on another go 'round of the carousel of 3D life, instead of breaking the 'form' and progressing on to the higher realms.  A shame.  But it is their choice.  As always, in this loving universe, with a Plan of spiritual evolution; of consciousness raising, unfolding.  Back, ultimately, to


Having earned our Keep.

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