Friday, 11 September 2015

History Lesson

from ‘Push To Stop NSA Spying Moves Forward’ - Bob Unruh - September 9 (via - September 11)


patriot1789 2 days ago (September 9)

Please, people, instead of the knee-jerk responses to this and other allegedly "unconstitutional" laws and happenings, ask, "What provision(s) in the Constitution allow this?"

Believe it or not, this and all other seemingly unconstitutional acts of government are in fact “legal” (but perhaps not “lawful” and yes, there is a difference). Just as the SCOTUS ruled that the government can take any of your property and give it to whomever it wishes.

The 14th Amendment created a new class of citizen called a “citizen of the United States” that differs form the “Citizen of the United States” spoken of before the amendment.

We, the people, are NOT “We the People” and have been converted into chattel of the federal government and have only those privileges that Congress ALLOWS.


"Privileges and immunities clause of Fourteenth Amendment protects only those rights peculiar to being citizen of federal government; it does not protect those rights which relate to state citizenship."

Jones v. Temmer, Federal Supplement, Vol. 829, Page 1227 (1993)

"We have cited these cases for the purpose of showing that the privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States do not necessarily include all the rights protected by the first eight amendments to the Federal Constitution against the powers of the Federal government. They were decided subsequently to the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment..."

Maxwell v. Dow, 176 US 598 (1900)

PLEASE NOTE: The term "citizens of the United States" as used here can NOT be the same "Citizens of the United States" used in the Original Constitution since those "Citizens of the United States" did " include all the rights protected by the first eight amendments to the Federal Constitution against the powers of the Federal government." Or else for whom were the "Bill of Rights" written to protect?

Congress is using Article 1 Section 8:

"To exercise EXCLUSIVE Legislation in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States.."

Interested in reading further or just want to complain? Do some research; a good primer is "A Patriot's Thoughts at “

Learn to focus on the real cause of our problems instead of just complaining about the symptoms.


  • Shotgun_Joe
    patriot1789 a day ago (September 10)

  • When we rid the Union of the unConstitutional usurping POS in the White House who is supported by all of the traitorous cowards in Congress and the unSupreme Court, there may be a glimmer of a chance to return to a Constitutional Republic. Until then, this U.S.A. has been in a Constitutional Crisis since January 20, 2009.
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    • patriot1789
      Shotgun_Joe 16 hours ago 

    • I do suggest you read C. Francis Habeck's "A Patriot's Thoughts".
      Here are his last thoughts:

    • What’s really wrong with America and how to correct it?

    • Not all of our Founding Fathers wanted a free People and a republic. Some wanted: a monarchy; a pure democracy; a corporate state where the rich were in control; and probably other forms of government.

    • Some of those unhappy with a free People inserted language into the Constitution which while sounding good to the majority actually had
    • hidden purposes.

    • I have almost given up trying to educate people on the real problem with America. Here is a shorter version.

    • Facts to support my conclusions:

    • The SCOTUS ruled that the term “United States” can have several meanings. They are mutually exclusive to one another. The two
    • used here are: The federal government (Congress) and the several states united by the Constitution.

    • The founders and those writing the laws and amendments were/are educated and meant what they wrote and knew the meanings of the words they used.

    • Common English rules hold that explicitly forbidding an action by one of the “United States” implicitly allows the action by the other “United
    • States”. As an example, if John and Mary are playing outside and you order John to come in, did you not also tell Mary that she did not?

    • My conclusions:

    • The 13th Amendment while forbidding involuntary servitude within the several states (their jurisdiction), allows involuntary servitude by the federal government.

    • Part of the Dredd Scott decision was that the federal government did not have the authority to make a black man a citizen. I agree with that but what most people don’t realize is the federal government did not
    • have the authority to make anyone a citizen. That was a state responsibility. The decision was used to pass the 14th amendment. Please note that Congress had the constitutional authority to “make uniform naturalization laws”. Why did Congress fail to do so;
    • it would have interfered with the plan to enslave all Americans.

    • The unlawfully enacted 14th Amendment created a “citizen of the federal government”. Note that the United States in this amendment is singular (THE jurisdiction thereof). The Utah Supreme Court ruled it
    • unconstitutional since the duly elected representatives from the South were denied their seat in Congress. Instead the Northern representatives appointed the southern representatives through the
    • Reconstruction Acts.

    • Judge Ellett of the Utah Supreme Court remarked:
    • "I cannot believe that any court, in full possession of its faculties, could honestly hold that the amendment was properly approved and adopted."
    • State v. Phillips, Pacific Reporter, 2nd Series, Vol. 540, Page 941, 942 (1975)

    • Said Reconstruction Acts allowed for the military takeover of the South and denied white southerners the right to vote unless they expressly became “citizens of the United States”, the federal government. Remember that the Southern states were brought back into the union by President Proclamation. Also note that it is claimed that the southern States could not secede from the union. Either way the Southern states were part of the Union.

    • Here is where the seemingly innocent sounding additions to the Constitution came into play.

    • Article 1, Section. 8. The U.S. government (Congress) has the power:
    • To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority
    • over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

    • To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

    • As a citizen of the federal government through the 14th Amendment you are subject to this provision. None of the other protections,
    • including the Bill of Rights apply (unless Congress expressly allows).
    • This is why:

    • Your property can be taken for any reason and given to another.

    • All Acts of Congress can apply to you even though the SCOTUS says that those acts are territorial. In other words if you (or the states) are subject to an act (territorial) of Congress, you must be in a territory.

    • Since the SCOTUS ruled that the federal government is a corporation, everything owned by said corporation (including those in involuntary servitude) must be commercial in nature.

    • Citizens of the United States, being commercial, can be licensed to use the “public” roads, need the government’s permission to marry (got a license?) just to name two. People have argued with me about the need to be licensed. Remember a license is simply permission; it is not a certificate that you know how to do something.

    • The only way to solve the nation’s slide into ruin and enslavement is:

    • Repeal the 14th Amendment and replace it with provisions to:

    • 1. Convert the states back into individual, sovereign non-federal states.

    • 2. Convert all non-white citizens of the United States into naturalized citizens of the states of their principle dwelling (not residence). White Citizens are already eligible for true State Citizenship as enjoyed by those at the beginning of the Nation. The (original, non-federal)
    • individual State Constitutions would have to be amended to have all people enjoy State Citizenship. Those living in DC and other legitimate federal territories remain citizens of the federal government (sorry ‘bout that).

    • All national forests, parks, monuments and other properties not legitimately used as laid out in the Constitution for “Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings” and “purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same” shall be revert to the states.

    • All taxes currently taken by the federal government not excises shall be given to the states.

    • Repeal the unlawful 17th Amendment. Since the Constitution guaranteed that the states’ “right of suffrage” would not be denied, this amendment had to be passed unanimously or those states voting against it had their rights taken away. This amendment also took away the states ability to restrain the federal government.

    • Unless the forgoing is done, nothing will change in our country.

    • One more thought, if this can be done, the federal debt will be owed only by the federal government and not by the states or their citizens.

    • Thank you,
    • Patriot1789

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    • kibitzer3 patriot1789 a few seconds ago (September 11)
    • “The founders and those writing the laws and amendments were/are educated and meant what they wrote and knew the meanings of the words they used."

    • I agree. And that is why everything of a federal-government nature that has been going down in this country since the advent of the Obama administration is null and void. Because the man is a Usurper, inasmuch as he is not a 'natural born' citizen - i.e. (as much history shows the constitutional Framers understood that term to mean) one born on the soil of (in this case, U.S.) citizen parents - PLURAL. The eligibility requirement put in place, for that particular office, and that particular office ONLY, in order that the person in that office - who would as well, then, become the Commander in Chief of the nation's military forces - would have NO DUAL/CONFLICTING LOYALTIES OR ALLEGIANCES. As a naturalized citizen would be subject to. And as a DUAL [citizen] would MOST CERTAINLY be subject to. Like Obama. And like a few of the Republican Party's current candidates for that office. (Which is a good indication why the Repub Party officials let the matter slide; and have tried to do an end-around on the Constitution and the American people on the matter.)

    • So, the man, and all the legislation that he has signed into law, and all the E.O.'s and P.D.'s that he has issued, and all the appointments that he has made, go into the trash bin. And the Usurper held for trial, on a whole host of charges by now. Along with the Democrat and Republican parties' officials, on RICO-statute charges, of colluding in a criminal conspiracy to eliminate the Constitution as the law of the land, and substitute for it the rule of men. A/k/a arbitrary law. Which is the hallmark of tyrants. Which is what we are dealing with, here.

    • And by the way, I agree: the 14th Amendment was not properly approved and adopted. So we have a lot of cleaning up to do.

    • But first things first. The Usurper. Out. Arrested by Oathkeepers.
    • Else what’s an oath for???

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